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i am aware of the python foundations plans for 2020, i do not expect those to change. i will stop relying on cpython after 2020.

Quote:A lot of really neat stuff has been added to 3.6

let me know when they add from __past__ import python2 but im sure that will never happen (certainly not before python goes 4.x.)

if anyone wants to fork something ive written to new versions of python they are most welcome, though probably not interested. the offer is open all the same.

i use fig for shell operations a lot. i was getting encode/decode errors after about half a year of *fairly reliable* use-- when i switched back to python 2, suddenly things worked more reliably (for my uses.)

i think python is probably the coolest programming language ever written, but it is still a tool-- a foss tool at that-- and i prefer it to work in a way that suits my purposes. ive already spent hours and hours and hours with tutorials trying to learn the new-fangled way to use python; you know i dont get paid for that time, its all for someone elses use than mine.

if some experts want to poke around at my code for trying to get unicode strings to work automatically with bytestrings, im happy to post it. and if anyone wants to discuss python 2 with me, a pm is welcome at any time. that way the discussion cant be considered trolling the forum. im not here to cause (much) trouble. when i code, using python 2 takes about 1/2 as long to get work done-- for me. if i were working with asian character sets id probably hate it.
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You know Python 2 as well as Python 3 and you made your choice. I/we(?) respect that. I really don't care until I can learn something from someone or teach someone to something. You guys who are helping here for most of you this is what you are doing, your job. You are professionals and regardless of the Python version you are using, I can learn a lot. And I can translate from one version to another. But as @Larz60+ has said really cool features were added to version 3.6. 
Welcome!  Smile
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Hi, Alan Elston here, an Englander, living in the remote Bavarian Hills since longer than I care to remember.
This is my first post at Python Forum, so I will probably mess something up. Sorry in advance for that.

I expect, ( excluding the Spammers ), I probably have less knowledge about Python than anybody who has ever registered here.
I started very late with computers a couple of years ago, purely to help speed up a personal project whereby I was still using pen, paper and a pocket calculator to do loads of very similar calculations every day.
After a bit of looking around ( having no idea about computing or even computers at all for that matter ) , I ended up with some massive messy Excel spreadsheets. A year later I learnt a bit about VBA and was then very annoyed that I had not learnt some VBA at the outset of starting with Excel.
In the meantime I got a bit addicted to VBA and have been active on some Excel Forums and Blog sites , ( as Doc.AElstein or DocAElstein ).

After a long Summer break I am coming back “on line” , and as I am brushing up again on my VBA , I thought I would also try to broaden my Horizons a bit with looking At Python. I don’t have the slightest clue about Python. I only know that it is a computer language, and a few experts have advised me over the last year or so, that I should take a look and consider it as an alternative to VBA for some of my stuff.

So I am off now to look at this, https://python-forum.io/Thread-A-List-of...-Resources

One thing I found very useful when I was learning VBA was to download a lot of YouTube learn videos and build up a long play list , which I then let run in the background continuously or let run at night to fall asleep to as an alternative to television..
I expect I will do that again for Python. I expect , as with VBA, there is loads of videos. If anyone can recommend any that they have found useful, or know to be worth a view, then I would be grateful for any info.

Thanks, Danke
Alan
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(Dec-21-2017, 08:58 AM)Doc_AElstein Wrote: If anyone can recommend any that they have found useful, or know to be worth a view, then I would be grateful for any info.
Hello!
I am sure that you will have a lot of fun with Python.
 
This guy is very, very good at teaching: Python Programming Beginner Tutorials
"As they say in Mexico 'dosvidaniya'. That makes two vidaniyas."
https://freedns.afraid.org
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Quote:I probably have less knowledge about Python than anybody who has ever registered here
Sorry, I think that prize has already been taken.
This is not an elite group, everyone is treated with the same respect, unless they are hostile.

One think I would strongly suggest is that you start with the latest version of python which is currently 3.6.4
I would follow snippsat's installation tutorial, as some thinks that should be done automatically are not.
You can find that tutorial here: https://python-forum.io/Thread-Basic-Par...er-Windows (but use version 3.6.4)
and part 2 here: https://python-forum.io/Thread-Basic-Par...nt-Windows
Some books will tell you to only use python 2.7.
Those books are frowned upon here.

Explore: https://python-forum.io/Thread-A-List-of...-Resources
And examine python packages here (all 124, 823 of them): https://pypi.python.org/pypi
most of which can be installed simply with:
pip3 install packagename
You're in for a fun trip.
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Thanks wavic, I have that play list downloading now.

Thanks Larz60+ for the up to date info. I’ll follow that all when I start an install.

I have gleaned a bit of info from the Python Forum learning info (https://python-forum.io/Thread-A-List-of...-Resources ) , for example I have a play list from a “thenewbosten” guy downloading.

I will let them and possibly a few more videos run through my head in the background for a few days, check out some other learning stuff, then get down to a bit of practice..

Alan
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(Dec-21-2017, 02:28 PM)Doc_AElstein Wrote: for example I have a play list from a “thenewbosten” guy downloading.

Listened to that guys videos myself when I first started and still refer to them on occasion. He explained things well and even had me laughing out loud on occasion. At the time, he was using Python 2, so if he hasn't updated his videos, bear that in mind.
If it ain't broke, I just haven't gotten to it yet.
OS: Windows 10, openSuse 42.3, freeBSD 11, Raspian "Stretch"
Python 3.6.5, IDE: PyCharm 2018 Community Edition
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(Dec-21-2017, 02:36 PM)sparkz_alot Wrote: .... At the time, he was using Python 2, so if he hasn't updated his videos, bear that in mind.
Thanks, I do seem to have a habit of collecting a lot of older software generally or even going backwards… since starting in Excel I have gone from starting in 2010 to 2007 and then recently finding some useful things about the earlier 2003 File format that makes them files very useful for manipulating large amounts of data, whereas the 2007+ format is a lot worse….
But it sounds like in Python I should try to get into using the newest version…
Alan
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For future reference, some of the most enjoyable videos,  and ones in which you will truly learn,
are those by the Author of 'Python Essential Reference' David Beazley. These are among my
favorites see: http://www.dabeaz.com/
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(Dec-12-2017, 08:15 AM)Larz60+ Wrote: There was a warning about some server work where a couple of hours were lost because a backup had to be installed.
That would probably explain the inadvertent loss.

O dear ... I see.

Doh Guess I won one of those rare jackpots, without knowing or spotting it.
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