(Jan-22-2019, 11:37 PM)sneakyimp Wrote: [ -> ]Is there big demand for games written in python or for pygame skills? The word "pygame" doesn't even appear on los angeles craigslist.
This logic doesnt make any sense. First of all why would you search software on Craigslist? Secondly, if you replace pygame with the most known programming language your first result is rental apartments that include A/
C++ (air conditioning). This has no merit in whether to weigh software's value.
(Jan-22-2019, 11:37 PM)sneakyimp Wrote: [ -> ]4) My enthusiasm to embrace pygame is hampered by the thought that it doesn't work on the latest version OSX unless you also upgrade to python 3 or bundle python 3 with your installer. OSX distributes python 2.7.
I know its frustrating. A lot of people have problems. You might continue to have them if you are not willing to try things such as using python3.x. Problems with pygame is not the only reason i will never buy an Apple product
.
(Jan-22-2019, 11:37 PM)sneakyimp Wrote: [ -> ]Upgrading to python 3 on my Mac might remedy some pygame problems, but that would render the last 2 chapters in my book moot.
That is not completely true. There are minor differences in the majority of tutorials that are 2.x/3.x. Most tutorials can be ported to python3.x quite easily as long as you know the differences. You can search out the differences even on
our website. Pygame does work for both python2.x and python3.x. I cant say the same about livewires.
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most of which is not going to be applicable to a basic tutorial.
As a side note.
Python2.x is planning on being retired at the end of
this year. Some linux distros (arch and gentoo) started using python3.x back in 2013 as the default python. Python2.x was suppose to end completely in 2015, but was extended to 2020 only for security/bugfixes. After 2020 it is likely that there will not even be security updates or bugfixes for python2.x forcing everyone to abandon it due to security alone. Even on our website; we will remove the toplink
versions as python2.x will be archived. For example, if you were to post this issue a year from now....the proper answer would be to update to python3.x and to stop using a python2.x tutorial. I dont know if this is the problem or not.....but if i was a developer on pygame i would not worry about pygame working with python2.x on the latest mac release because of its soon to be death. I would be more focused on updating it to the latest python minor release and making sure it works for the majority.
work of developing games. I'm especially interested in the