Guido van Rossum: BDFL Python 3 retrospective

[snippsat]

Guido van Rossum: BDFL Python 3 retrospective

[Larz60+]

Guido: There's never been people who walked away and said we're only going to use python 2' ... 'Well maybe there was one guy'

wonder who that might be

[wavic]

I am trying to imagine what would be a programming language which keeps all old features to preserve the compatibility. And slowly in my head appears a picture of an animal that doesn't give up of any evolutionary peculiarity since the dawn of time. Brrrrr! Ugly and scary creature.

[metulburr]

When did dictionaries preserve order?

[Larz60+]

When did dictionaries preserve order?

Python 3.6

[metulburr]

good to know lol

[snippsat]

3.6 was the biggest release in the Python 3 series with 16 new PEP(Python Enhancement Proposals) like eg f-string.
But as importation was the internal changes made in in 3.6.
Like a new dictionaries implementation similar to the PyPy dict implementation was done bye Raymond Hettinger.

This resulted in faster dictionaries and using 20% to 25% less memory when compared to Python 3.5.
Dictionaries is used a lot internally in Python so this will speed up Python in most areas.

That dictionaries was ordered was a implantation detail and not guaranteed.
Work for all i have tested,so people start to relay on it,so 3.7 i think it will be guaranteed.

Twitter @Raymond Hettinger
Having dicts ordered by default in #python 3.6 is not guaranteed yet.
But it is so convenient that a guarantee for 3.7 is almost inevitable.

[Larz60+]

I like David Beazley's take on this. He says (paraphrased)
'We're told not to rely on it. I say rely on it, then it has to become guaranteed'

[Gribouillis]

I like David Beazley's take on this.

They can always add collections.UnorderedDict later on...

[Skaperen]

When did dictionaries preserve order?

Python 3.6

it is not official until 3.7. this just turned out to happen in 3.6. i don't know if you're allowed to depend on it until 3.7, but i suspect a lot of people will. my maps in C preserved order and it was handy. i'll probably be among those depending on it in 3.6.